Skip The Budgie

On 3rd Dec morning, I was playing cricket on narrow street (of course, set the Car tyres as a wicket), totally oblivious to what happened last night, all of sudden a policeman came and ordered us to go home as a curfew was imposed. Later that day father told me what happened, he was a very quiet man on that day. Later I came to know that my elder brother who as in late 20s went to hospital to helped the victims and buried the dead bodies. He was a changed man both mentally & physically. His eyes reddened and he started coughing as the air was still polluted. His attitude towards life was changed. I was too young (11 yrs old) to understand the corporate crimes i.e. bringing the profits before human welfare.

After 20 yrs, still the company exploits our weakness, i.e. we have to earn money in order to survive the capitalist world.Then we wonder what is the alternative to capitalism?? (is any "ism" good, as basically people itself are evil?) Even today we are forced work b'coz otherwise we can't afford to pay the council tax, paying the mortgage, local shops are replaced with super duper markets own by Big Companies. Capitalism is fine if people come first before profit.

In our schools/universities we are being taught about good moral values, be good to others, help others. But when we come to the f***ingpyschobitch world, it's all about cut-throat competitions, back-stabbing and selfishness. So the question is where the fault is - is it our education system, or capitalist society or US Government? Corporate crimes are bad side effects of capitalism. People are suffering from stress, insomnia, ulcers b'coz of the anti-human corporate policies. I consider as a these also corporate crimes.

India's political system is corrupt as hell. These types of injustice is hidden under the carpet otherwise US will arm-twist India by imposing sanctions. (that's another chapter)

Anyway, the fight continues...

BBC posted my comments

Music Dave, you can post it.

Ram

Got this through the email today, it's from a guy who works with my housemate, who needs to teach us more Carrom techniques at some point. It's twenty years ago today (tomorrow?) that the terrible Union Carbide accident happened in Bhopal, India. I was living in Zimbabwe at the time, so I didn't notice. Also only being 7 I had more important things to worry about, like riding bikes and playing. Anyway, I think it's important that we remember stuff like this and the shit that happens to innocent people due to incompetent companies.

Bhopal Chemical Accident

"The ruins are a powerful symbol of an American dream that turned into an Indian nightmare"

"Mothers didn't know their children had died, children didn't know their mothers had died and men didn't know their whole families had died" - Ahmed Khan, Bhopal resident

"I am too lucky to survive the gas leak purely b'coz of wind direction. If wind direction was opposite, today I wouldn't have working with Ivor, Stu or anybody. People forgets or oblivious where this industrialisation leading this society to ( doom maybe!!!) Its shame that big corporations get away with this massive man-slaughter. 20,000 dead, still counting" - Rammohan Nandiraju, Bhopal gas leak survivor. Currently working in Bristol UK

more and more...

...as the debate in the Evening Nazi Post about immigration and asylum seekers dies down, following the BBC's shock discovery that the BNP are a bunch of Nazi thugs, NOT as we had all been led to believe (joke) a serious political party with an agenda that should be respected, the cross-party International Development Select Committee’s report, Migration and development: How to make migration work for poverty reduction (Refugee Council) tells us that 'The solution for Zimbabwean asylum seekers, for instance, is not to prevent them coming here, but to tackle the reasons causing them to leave their homes.'...

Forgive me, but does this mean they're recognising that the problem is caused by our action / inaction abroad? Isn't that what every right-minded person has been saying all along? That Americans wouldn't be hated if they acknowledged the existence of a world beyond their borders (for example)? Obviously the pensioner who called me a Nazi is now muttering into his over-crowded cornflakes about how marching in and machine-gunning the immigrants isn't such a bad idea now that the BBC have suggested it to him as the perfect way to be accepted by the BNP.

OK, I have to blog this! The situation in the decency argument occured when T offered up a hypothetical situation following on from whether Samurai should be allowed to judge people:

"How would such rules of decency stand on issues such as there being 3 friends, 7 biscuits, a "betrayal of trust", and an uneven distribution of said biscuits. Should any hurt parties (who maybe feel a bit sad/angry) by some means deal "justice" out because somepeople were not paying attention to the division of biscuits? From what I gathered such rules require punishment?"

Unfortunately I've obviously missed some of the argument, because I've just got this apparently the samurai with the greatest honour is awarded the biscuit:

"> (T) What a day off again!!! You lucky sod you!
(Eye) No no no, I am just not working, which is different...... :) (T) I like many of the Bushido ways fo considering things... but as I said I do think it is perfect...
(Eye) That is very true and I agree. The interest is in the fact they still had a system BASED on the correct set of values but messed up by humans. Our current system is based on all the wrong things. (T) Provided there is a Samurai there with greatest honor...
(Eye) There always is. If they are honest to themselves...... (T) What if there isnt? Or there is a disagreement? In truth there is always one... he is the one with the greatest power over the others. You can call it honor if you want.... or you can call it money, faith, resources, whatever you want... but at the end of the day they are placeholders for the word power...
(Eye) What you describe is the currupting of the system i.e. my example below. One is power hungry (the corrupt scummer) and grabs the biscuit, however ..... if he is the Master of the house then there is little you can do but 'be the roots of the tree' as our man Yamamoto put it. It is every Samurais duty to do as such. It is also observed that most do not or don't understand this. As you say ... its not perfect.... (T) Different philosphies may have other aspects, but when any of them is brought down to the human world and put in the hands of man the word you need to use words like power, and hierachy.
(Eye) Yes, thats the corruption of the system I was describing. I think its better to talk of a non-Samurai as one not following the proper belief system and philosophy, not just a bod in the street. The Hagakure talks of people dressed as Samurai, calling themselves Samurai but a big part of the book is to tell you why they are not Samurai so the situation still falls apart if one of the 'Samurai' is of the corrupt party. (T) Again in the philosphy that does not exist -- possibly yes.
(Eye) Oh but it does exist. Giving up on that is much more dangerous than giving up on majority of people being decent. (T) The Saumrai had rituals for such things as drinking tea, but in reality this sounds like the standard mechanism to make those at the bottom keep quiet and shut up.
(Eye) Yes, there are some funny things in there. Some of them I see a point to, others I think are the corruption creeping in again..... there is a level of Samurai culture and philosophy which is used to live correctly, there is another level used to control.... tut tut tut .... (T) Notice immiediatley that there has to be some leader Samurai sitting there telling everyone else which people are the samurai and what honor level they are at. They also determine which are non-decent "corrupt scummers actually called the Ainu -- "Untouchables" in feudal Japan! . Hence, immiediatly any of those "Samurai" who may have concerns about the biscuit division process say nothing, because they scared of being a non-samurai / ronnin / ainu scummers - so they do not say anything and maintain the status quo. The most honoured Samurai is then sorted... surely this is the same as all the things you hate Eye?
(Eye) You are correct, that is exactly what I dislike. This is what I was saying that the same corruption, the same corrupt people with the same ideas are dogging our system just like they did the Samurai. The difference being the core of Samurai beliefs are good ....... our system ........... oh dear .............. (T) What I would consider in your Samurai example is how to judge which of the people had the greatest honor? In the Samurai system it is most likely the highest memeber of Clan present - so bascially familly related - fairly simple; If people are honest to themselves it is easy, even if there is no difference at all, then a turn or division process can be applied, but would mostly not be required I think. The fourth step is of course threaten and unbalance people at the bottom somehow: normally to try and make them feel small, but most of all scared. Scared that the scraps will be taken away from them and infact leaving with with nothing.
(Eye) This is another point where the Samurai system is strong. It doesn't allow for that kind of weakness. If the scraps are taken away then so be it, you died facing the enemy which is the right way to go. (T) Nearly all systems are twisted and corrupted so those at the top can enforce their survival of the fittest pecking order on the other. Even in organised Buddhism you get the "I deserve to be poor and live in poverty because I was bad in my last life".
(Eye) Yep, I agree. (T) So essentially it is about power, peers, and pecking order. For me thats about it...
(Eye) Thats what we are discussing I suppose and my angle was that "The majority of humans are trying to get more power, peers and a pecking order below them". You said that the minority were like that which I don't agree with. (Eye) Anyways, my arguments were based on trying to ascertain the true character of oneself to see the decency in others.
(T) You always have to be a sure as possible about your own position.
(Eye) Is that an agreement?
(T) A re-wording. "One has to be as sure as possible about ones position all of the time" to be all posh about it....... (I might have got this last bit the wrong way round)"

..and so on... so we might have learned something after all...

Well it all developed after that, and now we have moved on... Now, it's become an argument about 'decency' and what it means. Like how many decent people are in the world, how you define 'decent', how you make sure that you remain 'decent' etc. The Id, the Ego, the superego... this one goes on a bit, so I won't bore you with the details.

Needless to say, it's looking likely that we'll have to develop a Samurai code when the three of us are living together! None of us have got a sword, so enforcement will be difficult, but I think (hope) we all agree that killing people in itself is not a 'decent' act...

The irony of all this talk of honour and decency has not been lost on me as with some gratification I've noticed that everything's going to shit at the moment and it's not just my life that's suffering (although I had a near epiphany while practising the blues last night, I promise you, something's going to click soon and I'll understand it all). All around me, people are miserable, relationships are falling apart, the community in St Pauls is bitter and angry (more than usual) and it's dark outside but it's the afternoon in July for fuck's sake! Buffy would be sharpening her stake and preparing for battle...

So an experiment to see if it's possible to replicate an email discussion on a blog - following on from yesterday's story, complete with typos... original reply is in green:

(me) That's outrageous, isn't it?
THIS is what our 'developed' world does do more juvenile wannabe countries.

>(T) If this is true it is indirectly so. It is the sovreign goverment who in this case directly is withdrawing the water supply. It is an internal matter.

>>(me) But the idea of Government and the way that this government and others in Africa are run, are influenced by what we (as a society) created, which makes them want to withdraw support for Bushmen (who don't want / shouldn't need this support anyway) because of the same things that make Gypsies in Europe unwanted. All the bushmen want is to be left alone and that's not going to happen, because of the arrogance of people who think they know better.

It may be an internal matter, but that attitude implies that you think we should not even be trying to have this discussion. It is a global problem. cultures and societies are being destroyed.

>>> (T) Well, it does look a bit like that, but that was not my intention, sozzers... I was merely pointing out that from the information known to me (the article!), this is internal, and in this case not a foreign power/multinational directly influencing internal state issues as usually appers to be the case. The definition of the sovreign state and the powers it holds are important in these situations... unless you want to discuss anrachy (in its true sense) as a form of "goverment" in which there is no discernible group where policies are made on the behalf of the group as a whole. Itis the natur eof all these problems I think. It is hard to be independant of nay system, because as soon as you form a separate group, it will still create a relationship between the two groups. The homeless ofr example, theoretically are "outside soceity", but obviously still an issue of soceity.

>>>> (me) Many are not homeless by choice, an issue in that they are a result of it. A complex issue, there can be a million reasons why a person is homeless and they are in no way outside society because they want to be in it, it has just discarded them so they've become a problem.

I see what you mean by internal now :), but I will argue that the power structure itself is foreign.>

(me) They are being forced to live in our system, they are trying to copy our way of working, and the funny thing is, our media makes out we disapprove!

> (T) "Ours" by means that we "invented/instigated" it... but abstract ideas that form most things in our modern world theoretically belong to humankind in general. For example, the evil of Nazi Germany was not invented by Germany or inherant only in Germans; it is something inherent in all human peoples, and a warning to all people of what humankind in general is capable of. The same is true of the current system.

>> (me) The lessons of Nazi Germany have NOT been learned by anyone other than the Germans, and across Africa the same situation is being repeated due to their infancy in adopting our easily corruptable system of government, ownership and the pretence of knowing what is best for each other, which is propagated by our apathy and desire to keep the continent poor so that when the need comes we can leech their resources and do an 'Iraq' again whenever we so desire.

>> You agree that there is a difference between 'developed' and 'undeveloped' world? I believe that these terms are ridiculous and as nations we are deliberately allowing these systems to be corrupted. The situation with the bushmen is just an example of what has happened across the planet, as the 'system' takes over and rips up people's lives. Did the native Americans benefit from it?

>>> (T) Wewl... some sorts of compromises are needed arnt they? They should not kick off the doodes from their way of life... those who want to be part of "the system" should bear the supposed "cost" of supporting the needs of the bushman... there should be room for both ways of doing things, it is just that our system is uncomprimising in its definitions of profit/loss and the self exhaustive need to support constant profit makes it impossible. I dont hate everything about our system, I wish we could only somehow restrain all the bad aspects it using our intellect instead of letting it run amok like some dumb scared animal... :(

>>>> (me) That's kinda true, but the bushmen have been slowly forced to rely on a system which they have never needed before. It is arguable whether 'education' and healthcare would be beneficial. Why give people something they don't want? I don't see anything where they say they want anything except to be left alone.

> (T) Of course we dissaprove!!! Most people are "decent" to varying levels even though they live within "the system"...

>> (me) Admittedly it would be hypocritical of us to try and stop them. I just think it's ironic that we read this stuff, tut to ourselves and don't even think about why it's happening, where it started and how to stop it. BECAUSE of the inescapable 'system'.

>>> (T) Yes... I agree... but I dont want to be a politician, and I know I would not be suited to it, I need someone to represent me... One of the main reasons our democracy is currently not working well, is not because of its basic principles are unsound, but because there is not a party that represents and tries to implement what we want in power.

>>>> (me) true...

(me) Shows how sensitive we are to culture, and why in many ways Communist China is a good thing (er... do I mean that?)

> (T) I dont know which aspects of "Communist" China you mean. The cultural reveloution, or the brain washing in their education system (although we have that too...). Are you aware of the levels and depth of corruption in China? They make multinational influence look reasonable in comparisson. The principle of imprisonment without trial or justification is as wrong as what the Americans are upto in Guantanomo Bay... I am not sure what you mean by this...

>> (me) It's a 'good' thing because it is different. Because it is based on history. Africa is still a tribal continent, it should have a society developed from it's own history, not our invasions. I'm not saying it would be better or worse, but the would have more respect for their people that way. China has too many problems. BUt we are too f*cked ourselves to be able to say how the rest of the world should be fixed. Hence Guantanamo Bay. It is insane arrogance that we think we know better than any other country and think that we can enforce our flawed ideals onto other people.

>>> (T) I am not sure about that. In many ways I believe in some Universals, like not castrating young children, and equality between all people... I think these universal should be evident accross the world... inside that framework I believe internal cultures will always be present in how people locally express themselves.

>>>> (me) Yeah, look at Pitcairn Island and it's morals. I just don't think we are in a position to judge...

>> (me) I mean, their society has developed from their history, but in Africa, their adoption of our societal (word?) formula is deleting their culture. And it does begin to look like there's nowhere to hide...

>>> (T) I believe cultures are essentially mallable, "tradition" is essentially arguable... besides, many aspects of "the system" can be advantageous... I am not against: clean water, non-poeverty, good healthcare and education for everyone for example. I think this should be available to all.

>>>> (me) Why is the water dirty?
What is poverty?
Why are we unhealthy? As we discussed yesterday, healthcare is not expensive, and it doesn't rely on our system to work, in fact, it suffers from it, which is why there is a charity to help try and cure cancer. Education would be good, were it not based on making people unhappy with their lives. And the majority are not advantageous.

>>>>> (T) Wouldnt healthcare and education then be against the natural ways of the African bushmen? Or do they accept some parts of "the system" that they like; and then refuse the others?

>>>>>> (me) See above... it is against their natural ways, but they have their own health care and their own education. Why should anyone change that?

>>>>>>> (T) Some healthcare is very expensive... new drug design and manufacture is very very pricey... It is not cost of churning out the medicine, but the cost of researching it. I think the goveremnts should pay for it, but unforuntately the way we do things at the mo, it is the end consumer... hence if they are poor they are in trouble... Now that is a serious problem with the way we do things... The whole point for me is that somethings should be privatised in my opinion (PS2s, teles, computers, cars, etc), and other things shouldnt (Education, Healthcare, basic housing, food, and water).

>>>>>>>> (me) hmmm yeah. Why is basic housing important? tents are adequate, give me a tent and a fire...

>>>>>>> (T)The problem in this case in that the tribal people want to continue their way of life, and that is at odds with the goverment, who are removing their water supply to force them to relocate (which is evil)...

This article does not say whether it is at odd with the rest of the countries populace however...

>>>>>>>> (me) I reckon the government, like every government is at odds with the country's populace. You have to watch 'The Gods Must Be Crazy' It is about exactly this problem. The bushmen do not want or desire any outside influence. This has already happened. Their small society is based on entirely different ideals and because the 'new' democratic society believes that 'people' belong in shanty towns and deserve to be forced to have substandard health care in a disease-ridden environment which is entirely at odds with a basic more healthy natural lifestyle ou tin the bush we have the cheek to say that we're doing what's best for them? They were happy, now they are being destroyed? Do I need to say Native Americans again?

We have learned NOTHING from our history if you think this is OK.

>>>>>>>>> (T) Well I agree with that in general, but I think the definition of countries and groups is difficult as mentioned above.

I agree/disagree with the fact that we have learnt nothing... I think some people have learnt alot... the problem is implementing what we have learnt because we cannot or have not learnt how to control the system (mother nature).

>>>>>>>>>> (me) We should not try to control it. Like Iv said yesterday we are so much a part of nature we probably do need to evolve as a species to get beyond our basic instincts and move to a more cerebral way of life....

Had a good discussion last night, the usual intellectual debate where some 'educated' dilettantes get together and try to be the one to shout loudest about how they think the world can be fixed. Believe me, it's broken. All gone to hell. My personal belief is that we need to somehow do away with money, ownership, borders, patriotism and the entire basis on which our society is built. We need to stop forcing other continents and countries to use our system against their culture. Started because of the usual discussion about how this 'great' nation of ours (UK) is working its people to the bone in order to (a) try and boost the economy and (b) stop them worrying about important stuff like Politics (Sun Tzu - The Art Of War - keep the people busy otherwise they will realise what's going on and revolt). Which truth leaves us in a situation where my housemate works 9 - 5:30, an hour to travel each way and so much stress that he has to escape somehow, which he does through computer games and skunk. We are getting to a point where the age of retirement is going to be older than most people can reasonably expect to live. We are literally being worked to death! No time for politics there...

The conversation covered many angles:

Either: Humans are still driven by our base instincts, which leaves us no better off than animals, we are no more above nature than we are in control of it, it's still all about fucking and fighting... So the only way forwards is to evolve as a species until such a point as we are ready to be able to cope with technology in a mature way and not merely use it to gain control over, or kill, other human beings.

Or: The majority of humans are good, therefore the basic ideologies of society and the world in which we live are good, it is just that the minority are fucking it up for the rest of us. But the principles of society - healthcare, education, freedom (?), luxuries like playstations and TV are good, so we need to find a solution which gives us a Star Trek society where people work because they want to and society is mutually beneficial and money is a good thing.

Or: The system is what destroys people. destroy the system and start again somehow. Research and development and technology will carry on. humans will find a way.

Obviously we haven't really thought about this too hard, or rather, it's a complex problem. What we live in is not working, the system isn't working, and not only is almost everyone on this planet both trapped in and fucked by it, those who have managed to avoid it, are being told that they have to comply. Much like the Native Americans and every other dead native culture along with it. It's about our arrogance that we know best, when clearly, we don't. Like Kilroy condemning Arabs for their treatment of women, but he doesn't give a shit about our treatment of innocent muslims... detained without trial... etc, etc.

The discussion (I concluded - we all disagreed on different topics) ended with the idea that at some point we had to escape the system somehow and go back to a simpler, almost Buddhist-in-the-mountains lifestyle, by leaving this country and living in the jungle.

Today (topical, huh?) I got sent this:

Well, here is a good example of trying to be outside of the current system, even those who have heritage, practice and so-called ancestral land have no chance ... I reckon we have even less chance of being able to 'live outside the system'. So thats that gone then, we are not allowed to 'leave' ...... hmmmmmm ......

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Goddam these fascist newspaper types... Yes, they printed my other letter, yes, they printed the original one, and yes, they cut out the bits that call for people to educate themselves to make up their own minds. Actually, it was also edited out of the original letter - any reference to learning and thinking for yourself is hacked visciously from your letters.

Why am I surprised? Was I just getting too carried away with the crazy fantasy that people believe me, rather than the nazi's? That I might be able to change maybe one person's way of thinking?

Maybe the guy didn't call me a Nazi after all, maybe they just added that bit.

What I'm most concerned about is that they cut out the bit about section 55 (really important), the bit where I said that the "stress in my letter was to emphasise the need for education, to get a balanced view, and to stop propagating the ridiculous myths that surround this issue", and the whole last paragraph about questioning what you read (asking why the BNP 'facts' aren't backed up by anyone other than the internet) and going to other places to get a fucking education.

So now it looks like I am being fascist and arrogant, and I'm no longer challenging people to try and work things out for themselves, but am standing on my pulpit and trying to force my religion down their throats. I guess that's what the paper wants, it is so far right anyway, they must love having someone like me to bait the readership.

So the question now, is whether it's worth trying to get something else printed. No-one knows who I am, so I'm not likely to get my windows smashed in or anything... hmmm dilema... how big is my ego? That's the real question...

So while I wanted to rip him into tiny pieces, I realised that it would serve no purpose other than to feed my ego. Instead, I thought I'd try to be more diplomatic, and present a case for people to do their own research and this is what I wrote:

It is extremely difficult to find accurate statistics on figures such as the population density and even the population of Britain and I suppose we will always have contradictions. I would be interested to find where Mr. Budd is getting his figures from, as I'm sure their creators will have as much interest in massaging them to reflect their interests rather than reality. The numbers I used came from the refugee Council and the government. The National Audit Office has produced an extensive report into the difficulty of calculating asylum figures, so I think that no-one is truly qualified to provide an accurate answer. With different offices having interests leaning in opposite directions, I suppose the truth is to be found somewhere inbetween. The stress in my letter was to emphasise the need for education, to get a balanced view, and to stop propagating the ridiculous myths that surround this issue.

Of course my letter was one-sided, and I still stand by it for the simple reason, as I stated before - that not only do we have a responsibility to these people, but we also need some kind of perspective on the issue. Although Section 55 was found to be inhuman in court, we are still feeling it's effects. In that case, the judge also ordered an immediate investigation into the interviewing process, which was found to be inhuman - leading to more successful claims than less - because they have a right to be here.

The reason we have no accurate figures on how many illegal immigrants there are is because they are illegal! Are there degrees of legality that the rest of the world is not aware of? There are so few bogus claimants deported because we can't afford to send them home, because they are homeless, starving and destitute, because they are working illegally at night in Morecambe Bay. The problem of illegal immigrants cannot be solved by having stricter laws, because the law is already strict. How is it possible that officials 'allow' illegal immigrants to enter, unless they themselves are breaking the law?

As I stated before, there is a difference between Asylum Seekers and Illegal Immigrants. Mr Budd concentrated on Illegal Immigrants, which I do not dispute. I would very much like to see an accurate table showing how the money spent on Asylum and immigration compares to the money spent on other things like maintaining unuseable nuclear submarines (around ??15 Billion a year, I heard), national defence and our own government's WMD's. Really, compared to this ??2 billion is a very small amount of money.

Yes I have a personal agenda against war and racial hatred and Governments that exploit the people for their own gain. If we did not invest so greatly in exploiting our position in the world, you would not have to worry about the tiny amount of our overall expenditure the fallout costs us. It is ridiculous to claim that we have to build more homes to house the huge numbers of immigrants, since once you have been granted asylum you have the same rights, you go on the same housing register, you wait your turn just like everybody else. If his figures are to be believed then we are spending a lot less on overseas aid than we should be.

Mr Budd's letter shows he has put a lot more store in the BNP's 'factual leaflet' than in searching for the truth himself. I don't know why people are trying to get to Australia. I would dearly like to know which muslim countries they pass on the way, why they want to try and get into what is possibly one of the most anti-asylum countries in the world and I would also like to know what Australia is the 'furthest country away' from because it certainly isn't Afghanistan. Does Mr Budd know the situation in Afghanistan? How can you blame those people for wanting to leave? We need to remember that the luxury in which we live comes at a great price, that of millions of lives and the least we can do is act like decent human beings and stop wanting everything for ourselves.

There are hundreds of books, journals, web sites and offices people can go to to inform their opinions. They should ask themselves why the BNP have concentrated on only one issue in their propaganda, and why not one word of it can be found repeated in ANY reputable information source. Then they should decide who they are going to vote for. If enough people did this, then perhaps your MORI survey would tell a different story.

So there. It might be a bit too long for them to print however, so we wait...

So I had to do a bit of research, primarily on the internet, because that's what I do, and I found many, many interesting things... Most notably the CIA's World Factbook, which has some very interesting information on the US. Also check out the CIA homepage for fun and laughter. Why use only American Intelligence? What of home-grown stuff? Go visit the MI5, read their 'myths' page and remember never to believe anything until it's been officially denied! Or for the truth, go to the 'other' MI5 page at www.trousers.co.uk! If you want a comment fight with bigots, the Weekly Gripe deliberates tries to wind people up... But I digress...

• Asylum Rights - Policy, Publications, Rights
• Asylum Aid - Biased, so what?
• Immigration and Nationality Directorate
• Refugee Council
• Migration Watch - An 'independent' and 'non-political' body.
• RAM Project - Refugees, AS and the media project
• Commission for Racial Equality - How many people have to say this before gen pop believes them? It's just crazy!
• One World UK

I don't know what else to say... Everyone says the same thing, No-one repeats anything that comes close to what the BNP claim. I guess we have to be thankful that even though it's getting in the news, they only have a few thousand supporters, while millions will vote against them...