The conversation covered many angles:
Either: Humans are still driven by our base instincts, which leaves us no better off than animals, we are no more above nature than we are in control of it, it's still all about fucking and fighting... So the only way forwards is to evolve as a species until such a point as we are ready to be able to cope with technology in a mature way and not merely use it to gain control over, or kill, other human beings.
Or: The majority of humans are good, therefore the basic ideologies of society and the world in which we live are good, it is just that the minority are fucking it up for the rest of us. But the principles of society - healthcare, education, freedom (?), luxuries like playstations and TV are good, so we need to find a solution which gives us a Star Trek society where people work because they want to and society is mutually beneficial and money is a good thing.
Or: The system is what destroys people. destroy the system and start again somehow. Research and development and technology will carry on. humans will find a way.
Obviously we haven't really thought about this too hard, or rather, it's a complex problem. What we live in is not working, the system isn't working, and not only is almost everyone on this planet both trapped in and fucked by it, those who have managed to avoid it, are being told that they have to comply. Much like the Native Americans and every other dead native culture along with it. It's about our arrogance that we know best, when clearly, we don't. Like Kilroy condemning Arabs for their treatment of women, but he doesn't give a shit about our treatment of innocent muslims... detained without trial... etc, etc.
The discussion (I concluded - we all disagreed on different topics) ended with the idea that at some point we had to escape the system somehow and go back to a simpler, almost Buddhist-in-the-mountains lifestyle, by leaving this country and living in the jungle.
Today (topical, huh?) I got sent this:
Well, here is a good example of trying to be outside of the current system, even those who have heritage, practice and so-called ancestral land have no chance ... I reckon we have even less chance of being able to 'live outside the system'. So thats that gone then, we are not allowed to 'leave' ...... hmmmmmm ......CLICK HERE











